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"There's no CG — we captured that moment," says the creator of the HBO comedy, who describes the sequence as "horse porn."
Two years ago, Silicon Valley nearly broke the internet with its elaborate dick joke. Now in its third season, the HBO series is poised to do it again — this time with a horse dick.
On Sunday, the Mike Judge-created comedy served up a jaw-dropping scene featuring two thoroughbreds having sex (see below). The horse-humping takes place in the background as tech genius Richard Hendricks (Thomas Middleditch) attempts to have a serious conversation with newcomer Jack Barker (Stephen Tobolowsky) about the future of his startup.
But Richard, understandably, becomes distracted by the explicit act, which involves a very large, erect horse penis, lots of thrusting and, yes, even fluids. The graphic scene begs the question: Was it real? “Yes, they are really having sex,” Judge, who directed the episode, tells The Hollywood Reporter. “There is no CG — we captured that moment.”
Given the unconventional nature of the shoot and HBO’s less-than-perfect track record with horses (see: David Milch’s short-lived drama Luck), THR caught up with Judge to discuss how YouTube videos inspired the scene, the FBI raid that delayed filming and why they had to repeat the footage in the editing room (“The horses actually go very quickly,” he says with a laugh).
So, the horses were really going at it?
Originally we had them at a vintage racetrack, but we just weren’t finding anything funny about it. I think it was Dick Costello, the ex-Twitter CEO who was in the writers room part-time this season, who told us about a guy who had just blown a ton of money on racehorses. So we started talking about racehorses and looked on YouTube. That’s where we saw these videos of them having sex and it was just making us laugh. That’s how it started.
And then what did the next steps look like?
Well, we had to do a lot of horse research. We kind of had our hopes dashed at one point because someone was saying, “Oh no, it’s all done artificially. They would never do that.” But then we looked into it further and found out that most species of thoroughbreds will only inseminate naturally. So we just looked for a place where it was actually going to happen.
Are places like that fairly easy to find?
Well actually the first place we went to shoot it, if our camera crew had gotten there about 15 minutes later, they would have gotten arrested. The whole place was some kind of front for selling pot down in Temecula somewhere. The FBI raided it and there were all these cop cars there saying, “Turn around!” So we had to reschedule it for a couple weeks later.
Wow, so where did you actually end up filming?
Up in one of the canyons between Westlake and Malibu. We just had to look for places where this was going to happen already and just shoot it since it’s all real.
How long did it take to get the money shot?
Oh, less than a minute. That’s the only thing that’s fake is, well, the horses actually go very quickly. So we had to repeat the footage some — not too much, but if you cut it all together, the horse just finishes really fast. It would not go on as long as that conversation Richard and Jack are having in the scene.
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Do the horses need any sort of … encouraging?
Nope, the minute the male sees the mare in heat, no coaxing has to be done. (Laughs.) I mean, they go crazy. There’s a bunch of videos on YouTube …
No, just that one shot. We had lined up some other opportunities in case that other one didn’t work. But after the first one, we were good. We just set up those cameras and they went at it.
Did you shoot the scene with the actors in front of the action or did you work some magic in post?
We did a little bit of combining. We shot the horses getting it on, got that out of the way and then did the dialogue. It wasn’t happening entirely when they were talking — that would have been very difficult to coordinate, but they were definitely at the horse place.
There was lots of laughing and lots of, “Oh my god, this is crazy. I can’t believe we’re doing this.” It was funny, you would see one person after another just [lose it]. I think their reaction was basically similar to what Thomas’ character is doing in the show.
And you didn’t have to cycle through multiple horses or anything?
No, just those two onscreen. They’re hard to find, but we got very lucky that it all worked. I mean, I would have kept trying if we hadn’t gotten those two. Like I said, the only thing that threw us off was the FBI raid, which is just insane.
What about the people onscreen who are holding the horses?
Those are the wranglers. Their job is to breed the horses. They’re there because you have to be careful — the studs get so excited that they sometimes injure the mare. So they are there specifically to keep the horses from getting hurt during the process because the horses are obviously really valuable as is their sperm. (Laughs.) I didn’t really know much at all about horses before this, so we had to get some horse experts involved.
I’m assuming the American Humane Association was also there to monitor things, yes?
Yeah, we had the American Humane Society reps who oversee things any time there’s an animal. HBO is really good about that. One thing I learned about this is that in the artificial insemination process — which is not the method we used but is the more standard way to do it — there are these male horses who start having sex with the female horses but are then pulled off before they ejaculate. So basically, this horse’s entire life is having sex not to completion and being blue balled. I think the Humane Society ought to get involved in that one because that’s really cruel. (Laughs.)
Is that why you chose to go the natural route?
It’s just more clear what’s going on. And the artificial way just doesn’t look as fun. (Laughs.) If you look closely on camera, you can see that the horse definitely finished.
It’s funny, I actually have an email from [senior vp of comedy programming] Amy Gravitt where she said, “I can’t believe I’m saying this, but can we have more screen time with the horses having sex?” She actually asked for more sex. (Laughs.) She was right though, so we put it behind some more shots than we originally had. You might as well go all the way, right?
Given that HBO has a questionable history of working with horses on Luck, what was their reaction when you pitched them a horse sex scene?
They were just very sensitive and wanted to make sure that we did everything right. They’re very good about that. Obviously, none of us wanted any damage to be done to the horses. But this is something they do all the time since, well, the evolution of horses so there was never any risk.
Are you happy with how the scene turned out?
I have to say, I was a little worried about it, but I’ve seen it in front of an audience and it got huge laughs. It came off better than I had hoped. It’s funny, in the writers room, we were like, “Has anybody done this before? It seems like someone would have done this before.” But I guess no one has had the poor taste.
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The Enumclaw horse sex case was a series of incidents in 2005 involving Kenneth Pinyan,[2] an engineer who worked for Boeing and resided in Gig Harbor, Washington; James Michael Tait, a truck driver; and other unidentified men. Pinyan and Tait filmed and distributed zoophilic pornography of Pinyan receiving anal sex from a stallion under the alias "Mr. Hands".[3][4] After engaging in this activity on multiple occasions over an unknown span of time, Pinyan received fatal internal injuries in one such incident.
Acute peritonitis caused by traumatic perforation of the colon
Kenneth Pinyan (Mr. Hands),[1] James Michael Tait, an unidentified male, and a stallion
The story was reported in The Seattle Times and was one of that paper's most read stories of 2005.[5] It was informally referred to as the "Enumclaw horse sex case".[6]
Pinyan's death rapidly prompted the passing of a bill in Washington prohibiting both sex with animals and the videotaping of such an act. Under current Washington law, bestiality is now a Class C felony punishable by up to five years in prison.[7]
In the 1970s, many statutes that had criminalized certain sex acts in various U.S. states were repealed, largely since they had criminalized some consensual sex acts between adults that were no longer considered appropriate to forbid (e.g., criminalizing all oral and anal sex).[8][9] In Washington state, a law was repealed on July 1, 1976, that had said:
Every person who shall carnally know in any manner any animal or bird, or who shall carnally know any male or female person by the anus or with the mouth or tongue; or who shall voluntarily submit to such knowledge; or who shall attempt sexual intercourse with a dead body, shall be guilty of sodomy...
An effect of the repeal was that bestiality became legal in the state of Washington.
Kenneth Pinyan had worked for Boeing for eight years.[2] He had previously been married to a woman and had children with her. He had moved from Seattle to Oak Harbor, Washington.[11] Pinyan had been building a new house and a barn that he planned to keep a horse in, along the Key Peninsula Highway in Gig Harbor, Washington. He was about to begin making payments on the property's mortgage.[2]
Pinyan had previously lost the ability to experience certain sensations after a motorcycle accident, and he had begun to seek out increasingly extreme sexual acts – such as insertion of extremely large dildos, fisting, and receptive anal sex with horses. In the early 2000s, he found a group of men online, nicknamed "zoos", who began meeting at a farm in an unincorporated area in King County, Washington, for communal weekends: they filmed one another being anally penetrated by horses, and sometimes engaged in sex with each other afterwards (which was also filmed). This was all later posted online. According to Charles Mudede, co-writer of the 2007 documentary film Zoo, the men trained the horses to penetrate them by stripping, applying a horse breeding pheromone, and bending over.[1] In 2015, Mudede wrote that the men had a sexual fixation on large penises "that may have had nothing to do with horses."[1] He also believed Pinyan did not truly love horses and was not a true zoophile,[1] although Pinyan had a cast created of the penis of his favorite horse, Strut.[12][13]
The incident that killed Pinyan occurred at a 40-acre (16 ha) farm,[14] located in an unincorporated area in King County, Washington,[15] five miles northwest of the city of Enumclaw.[14] Sgt. John Urquhart of the Sheriff's Office said that "typically," men were having sex with a horse on the property of James Michael Tait, a truck driver who lived in a trailer next to the farm, "but on this particular night it is my understanding that horse wasn't particularly receptive."[16] So Pinyan, Tait, and a third unidentified man snuck into the barn of the Southeast 444th Street farm that night. The men would often visit that farm for sexual purposes. Either Pinyan or the unidentified man recorded Tait being anally penetrated by a stallion known as Big Dick. After finishing, Tait then filmed Pinyan being anally penetrated by the same horse. During this incident, Pinyan sustained internal injuries including a perforated colon.[2][16]
On July 2, 2005, an unidentified man dropped Pinyan off at the Enumclaw Community Hospital.[14][17] Medical staff wheeled Pinyan into an examination room before realizing he was dead.[14] According to the Medical Examiner's Office, Pinyan, 45, "died of acute peritonitis due to perforation of the colon",[14] and the death was ruled accidental.[18]
After Pinyan died, the authorities used his driver's license to find acquaintances and relatives. Earlier news reports stated that the authorities had used surveillance camera footage to track down Pinyan's companion. Using the contacts, the authorities found the farm where the incident occurred. The police tracked down the rural Enumclaw-area farm, which was known in zoophile chat rooms as a destination for people wanting to have sex with livestock, and seized 100 VHS tapes and DVDs, amounting to hundreds of hours of video of men engaging in bestiality. One of the videotapes featured Kenneth Pinyan shortly before he died on July 2.[14][16]
Prosecutors later determined that the horse had not been injured.[15][19]
It was only after Pinyan died, when law enforcement looked for one way to punish his associates, that the legality of bestiality in Washington State became an issue [...] The prosecutor's office wanted to charge Tait with animal abuse, but the police found no evidence of abused animals on the many videotapes they collected from his home. As there was no law against humanely fucking a horse, the prosecutors could only charge Tait with trespassing.
The prosecutor's office says no animal cruelty charges were filed because there was no evidence of injury to the horses.
Jennifer Sullivan, a Seattle Times staff reporter, said that originally the King County Sheriff's Department did not expect the newspaper to report on the event, because "it was too gruesome." After an Associated Press report stated that the farm where the event occurred attracted "a significant number of people" who wanted to partake in bestiality, the Seattle Times decided that it needed to write articles about the case, since multiple people were involved.[21]
The videographer, 54-year-old James Michael Tait,[15] was charged with criminal trespass in the first degree – the owners of the farm, a third party, were not aware that the men had entered the property to engage in bestiality. The third man was not charged since he was not visible in the videos seized by investigators.[2] On November 29, 2005, Tait entered an Alford plea, which is a form of guilty plea in which the accused maintains that they are factually innocent but acknowledges that the evidence would likely lead to conviction and thus accept being convicted.[22] Judge David Christie gave him a suspended one-year sentence, a $300 fine, and one day of community service, and ordered Tait never to visit the farm again.[2]
Mudede wrote that at the time of the incident the residents of Enumclaw were shocked and angered by the event. In 2015, ten years after the incident, Mudede wrote that Enumclaw residents were unwilling to acknowledge it.[11]
After Pinyan's death, a video circulated on the internet of Kenneth Pinyan engaging in receptive anal intercourse with a horse. The video was nicknamed "Mr. Hands" or "2 Guys 1 Horse". The video, intended originally to sexually gratify the viewer, became one of the first viral reaction videos. This video is featured in the documentary Zoo.[23][1][24] On his podcast The Joe Rogan Experience, Joe Rogan showed the video to two guests, Iliza Shlesinger and Josh Zepps, on two separate episodes.[25][26] Kevin and Keith Hodge, aka the "Hodgetwins", did a reaction to 2 Guys 1 Horse. [27]
A documentary of the life and death of Pinyan, and the lives led by those who came to the farm near Enumclaw, debuted at the 2007 Sundance Film Festival under the title Zoo. It was one of 16 winners out of 856 candidates for the festival,[28] and played at numerous regional festivals in the U.S. thereafter.[29] Following Sundance, it was also selected as one of the top five American films to be presented at the prestigious Directors Fortnight sidebar at the 2007 Cannes Film Festival.[30][31]
Some time after the events in Washington, James Michael Tait moved to Maury County, Tennessee, onto a farm owned by a man named Kenny Thomason housing horses, pigs, goats and dogs. On October 13, 2009, a woman associated with them, Christy D. Morris, was arrested and charged with three counts of animal cruelty.[32] Two days later, an anonymous person e-mailed investigators a photo of a man having sex with a Shetland pony from Thomason's farm; Tait and Thomason were arrested that same day. Tait was charged with three counts of felony animal cruelty, while Thomason was charged with two. According to Tait's arrest warrant, he had been engaging in sex acts with a stud horse over a span of several months. Tait and Thomason admitted to engaging in sex acts with a horse.[32][33][34] In January 2010, Tait pleaded guilty in a Tennessee court to engaging in sexual acts with animals, and was placed on probation.[35]
After Pinyan died,[2] Washington State Senator Pam Roach from Auburn crafted a bill to ban bestiality in Washington State.[21] Senate Bill 6417, which made bestiality a Class C felony, passed on February 11, 2006, with 36 state senators voting in favor. The vote record was "passed; yeas, 36; nays, 0; absent, 0; excused, 13", meaning that 13 of 49 total senators refrained from going on record about the matter. Mudede wrote "It was an almost comically easy law to pass."[2] Bestiality had no political support in the state, and no group in the state advocated for bestiality.[2] Mudede wrote that reading RCW 16.52.205 "is very much like reading hardcore porn."[2] In addition, the law prohibits "videotap[ing] a person engaged in a sexual act or sexual contact with an animal" that is "either alive or dead". Because of the provision against videotaping, Mudede stated that the law "points an angry finger directly at James Tait."[2] In 2015, Mudede said that he was unaware of any bestiality arrests in Washington State since the Pinyan incident.[1]
^ a b c d e f Sokol, Zach (July 16, 2015). "The Strange, Sad Story of the Man Named Mr. Hands Who Died from Having Sex with a Horse". Vice. Archived from the original on February 7, 2016. Retrieved January 1, 2016.
^ a b c d e f g h i j k l Mudede, Charles (February 23, 2006). "The Animal In You". The Stranger. Retrieved April 30, 2006.
^ Lim, Dennis (April 1, 2007). "Zoo – Film". Retrieved February 13, 2019 – via NYTimes.com.
^ "Horse Riding Mr Hands, Washington". Archived from the original on September 26, 2018. Retrieved February 13, 2019.
^ "Horse sex story was online hit". The Seattle Times. December 30, 2005. Retrieved May 11, 2016.
^ Macdonald, Moira (July 3, 2006). "Infamous Enumclaw horse sex case to be made i
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